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State Police interaction yesterday while armed
Radnor:
--- Quote from: navitimer806 on April 25, 2019, 09:23:45 PM ---A Wilmington cop explained it to me like this:
"If your gun is a surprise to me, I WILL blow your f***ing head off."
Police need to be aware that there are a larger number of people with CCDW permits out there and that those are the good guys.
--- End quote ---
Think it's who you encounter. Wife and I were walking at the riverfront along the Jackass Markell walk. She stopped to take a photo.
A group of 4 on bikes were on the bridge too. Asked if we'd take their photo. I said sure. Saw my DSPC hat and I'm sure printing on right hip.
Asked if I was "retired". I said no. I knew it was the hat and print. They wished us well. And I said to them be safe. Off they went.
navitimer806:
I’m hoping that the statement referred to in the previous post (…WILL blow your f***ing head off) was really an exaggeration as there is nothing in the statute regarding the justifiable use of deadly force that includes the element of surprise.
I’m old enough to have known a number of police over the years, DSP, NCCPD, Philadelphia PD, and WPD. Some I’ve known better than others but none of the police I knew would have never made the statement referred to in the previous post -they were very professional and honorable people who took a lot of pride in doing a difficult job well. I think that is probably still true today.
oldgraygeek:
--- Quote from: navitimer806 on April 26, 2019, 05:48:23 PM ---I’m hoping that the statement referred to in the previous post (…WILL blow your f***ing head off) was really an exaggeration as there is nothing in the statute regarding the justifiable use of deadly force that includes the element of surprise.
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I took it as advice: she was telling me to notify the police officer for my own safety. I was grateful for her advice, and I still follow it.
However, there is a justification for use of force in your own dwelling (not what we were talking about, but here it is) that includes the element of surprise:
--- Quote ---§ 469 Justification — Person unlawfully in dwelling.
In the prosecution of an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring an intruder who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in the occupant's own dwelling at the time of the offense, and:
(1) The encounter between the occupant and intruder was sudden and unexpected, compelling the occupant to act instantly; or
(2) The occupant reasonably believed that the intruder would inflict personal injury upon the occupant or others in the dwelling; or
(3) The occupant demanded that the intruder disarm or surrender, and the intruder refused to do so.
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I made sure my wife is well aware of that particular item in the law. If she has a sudden and unexpected encounter with an intruder in our home, I want her to act instantly.
In related news, the new Magpul 50-round drum for her AR-10 just came in today. It'll hold a whole lotta "instantly."
navitimer806:
However, there is a justification for use of force in your own dwelling (not what we were talking about, but here it is) that includes the element of surprise:
--- Quote ---§ 469 Justification — Person unlawfully in dwelling.
In the prosecution of an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring an intruder who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in the occupant's own dwelling at the time of the offense, and:
(1) The encounter between the occupant and intruder was sudden and unexpected, compelling the occupant to act instantly; or
(2) The occupant reasonably believed that the intruder would inflict personal injury upon the occupant or others in the dwelling; or
(3) The occupant demanded that the intruder disarm or surrender, and the intruder refused to do so.
--- End quote ---
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Thanks for this.
Wayne15464:
--- Quote from: navitimer806 on April 26, 2019, 05:48:23 PM ---I’m hoping that the statement referred to in the previous post (…WILL blow your f***ing head off) was really an exaggeration as there is nothing in the statute regarding the justifiable use of deadly force that includes the element of surprise.
I’m old enough to have known a number of police over the years, DSP, NCCPD, Philadelphia PD, and WPD. Some I’ve known better than others but none of the police I knew would have never made the statement referred to in the previous post -they were very professional and honorable people who took a lot of pride in doing a difficult job well. I think that is probably still true today.
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I agree, that was a very unprofessional statement to make.
I have known and worked with hundreds of Officers, in the Tri-State area and can only think of a handful that might make such a statement, and trust me when I tell you they are not thought of very highly by anyone I know.
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